Curse

joshuarodger · Jul 22, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

[build prof=D/E box scythe=11+1+1 myst=10+1 wind=8+1 water=6][resurrection sig][avatar of grenth][conjure frost][heart of fury][attacker][eremites][chilling victory][pious assault][/build]

i'm at work right now and just thinking about different builds. started thinking about [[avatar of g] the unblockability while enchanted quality it has, along with inherent damage conversion which could allow for the use of [[conjure frost] along with a sundering or vamp scythe. using AoG to hit through guardian isn't new, but i haven't seen any builds that also incorporate a conjure.

i'm not saying this build is great or perfect (i haven't even tried it out personally) but i was just thinking it could be useful and fun.

drawbacks-
-AoG is not permanent in PvP so you will have downtime with it.
-no snare or IMS. i was thinking about [[whirling charge] in place of [[heart of fury] to take care of this.
-Scythe Mastery is only 13. probably not that big of a deal but i always prefer 14. true max damage from melee weapons comes at 12 in the attribute, so even while suffering from weakness, at SM 13, you will still hit that number.
-Mysticism is only 11 when it should be a multiple of 3. you want as much time on your avatar as possible, so going down to 9 isn't much of an option and there's not really any attribute to lower in order to push this to the next level as far as i can see.

benefits-
-AoG provides a way to push through [[guardian] and [[aegis] with no problem. it seems like everyone in PvP is enchanted all the time and this skill completely ignores it.
-AoG already deals cold damage so you can still take a vamp or sundering scythe and receive those benefits along with the benefits from the conjure. this is the real reason i started to play with this build. you still need an icy scythe for when AoG is down, though.

anyway, you tell me your ideas. do the drawbacks outweigh the benefits? i won't actually be able to try this out until late tonight, so if someone wants to give it a try and report back, i would appreciate it.

Tyla · Jul 22, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Pious Assault would can strip your two big enchantments, Conjure Frost or Heart of Fury. To be honest, I would really rather use Wearying Strike -> Signet of Malice -> something more automated in terms of attack speed.

Bowstring Badass · Jul 22, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

I thought the point of AoG was to take 4 attack skills that recharged in like 5 seconds so you could spam 1234 on your keyboard and kill stuff?

Honestly AoG isn't that great anymore compared to what it use to be.

joshuarodger · Jul 22, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

correct me if i'm wrong because i'm not 100% on this but won't PA take off AI even though it would end after AI? usage should be something like

Eremite's->AI->CV->PA
if that doesn't work then you go
Eremite's->CV->AI-> PA
it could be a pain in the ass to cast AI in the middle of a spike though.

i did think about using wearying strike also but wanted to stay away from weakness if i could. can't use [[signet of malice] as D/E and i'm trying to find a way to use conjure and get the spike from sundering mod also.

@bowstring, i think that was the point. i'm trying to find something else to use if for. just curious if this may be viable.

Tyla · Jul 22, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Pious Assault will remove Attacker's Insight if you use that first, and it will remove two enchantments if used second.

As for Signet of Malice, GG to you.

Bobby2 · Jul 22, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Yeh, it's a gimpy way to get your Deep Wound fix imo. Shame that bar the Elites, there's only
[wearying strike] : no Weakness removal as D/E AoG afaik
[pious assault] : Tyla alrdy said why

I'd consider a quick recharging ench to sac to Pious, but it looks you'll have to
A: spec Earth for that (NOOOOOO)
B: [frigid armor] ?

joshuarodger · Jul 22, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

@bobby, i think attacker's insight is a quick enough recharging enchant to sac to PA. now that i think about it, you could use the chain like AI->PA->eremite's->CV. it doesn't matter if you use PA first or last really and this way you don't have to stop in the middle of the chain for AI. the main problem that i see now, which i didn't really take into account to begin with is how much energy this build might require. AI helps a little bit but i'm not sure if it'll be enough. i just wanna get home and test it out really.

-Lotus- · Jul 22, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

AoG is just totally useless. its outclassed by [Wild Blow]

joshuarodger · Jul 23, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

AoG is just totally useless. its outclassed by [Wild Blow]

so you get one hit in every 8 seconds, at least. what about the rest of the spike?

-Lotus- · Jul 23, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuarodger

so you get one hit in every 8 seconds, at least. what about the rest of the spike?

it removes stances. the only other blocking comes from aegis or guardian, and if your target is already targeted by a prot monk, then good luck with that spike.

Bobby2 · Jul 23, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

AoG allows you to keep on pressurizing a protted target. You don't have to spike ALL the time, stuff has cooldown y'know.

joshuarodger · Jul 23, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

i tried it out a little in RA last night, which isn't really the best testing ground but it worked fairly well... when i had the energy for it. that's the main problem with the build. very energy intensive. it's great for a spike on any target but difficult to keep constant pressure.

@lotus even with my target being targeted by a prot monk, i was still able to get all of my hits through and i think if there were 2 AoG dervs even being the target of a prot monk wouldn't matter during the spike. one by myself just can't do enough damage.